The psychotic, radicalized nut jobs/terrorists on 9/11 were Mossad agents armed with Davy Crockett nukes, CGI, squibs, and a missile fired at the Pentagram audit team. Hurray for my Senator, Mike Lee, even if he is descended from John D. Lee of the Mountain Meadows Massacre assassination squad!
Inadvertently posted twice because of a "Bad Gateway" notice.
I agree they’re very different, but DEI has actually been a big part of TSA. “We can’t profile people. That’s so racist! Now, go grope grandpa and take away granny’s knitting needles. While you’re at it, target that businessman and the woman in the conservative-slogan T-shirt, even though no terrorist attacks have been committed by people who look like them.”
I just mean that a tightly worded executive order could make the changes almost immediately because the infrastructure is already in place. Put all TSA on leave, except for enough of them to monitor the metal detectors and luggage scans, have an armed Air Marshall on every flight. Security problems would be basically solved at a fraction of the cost and without the invasive indignities of the current system.
Yikes! Sounds like it's much worse now, all part of why I quit flying nearly 10yrs ago.
We've lost so much over the last nearly 25yrs.
I remember meeting visitors right at the gate in terminals, & seeing off family & friends, I always watched their planes depart to make sure they wouldn't be stuck in the airport after I headed home. (No one had cell phones then, we were more physically connected.)
Yes, we have some marvelous changes happening since Monday! And I would love to see TSA gone. Miracles are happening everyday. Probably too many govt thugs still in place to stop the invasive harassment. IMO, 80% of the federal bureaucracy is not needed or Constitutional.
I’m hopeful that the new Administration will actually cut the federal bureaucracy, but I’m reserving judgment until after the confirmation process when we see what they actually DO. (On another note, making a new government organization to improve government efficiency appears quite Orwellian to me :-P.)
Yes, expanding gov to reduce gov might not be exactly what we had in mind. Time will tell, Not interested in any new mRNA jabs of any kind. President Trump has a lot of things right. I’m praying God gives him wisdom & understanding for every situation.
Before yesterday, it all seemed too entrenched to change. But here is what the order on DEI requires, as related by attorney Jeff Childers. I could see it working for TSA.
"The truth is, Trump just nuked DEI. From orbit.
"It was like The Apprentice met The Presidency. Yesterday, Trump signed his second consecutive DEI order, Tuesday’s even more detailed and specific than Monday’s, and his Office of Personnel Management issued a tart memorandum. It informed all federal agencies that, by no later than 5pm tonight, they must close DEI all offices, delete all DEI websites, cancel all scheduled DEI “training,” terminate all DEI contractors, place all DEI staff on paid leave, and then prepare for staff reductions by the end of business on the last day of this month, January 31st.
"Boom! You’re fired. Axed, laid off, made redundant, severed, separated, and terminated with prejudice.
"Trump’s team isn’t just messing around, either. It’s not just performative. They can try to re-name DEI into something else, to try burying it in the bureaucratic depths, but it won’t work this time. Trump’s team is already onto that little game:
(shows image of actual text from the order)
"They’ve also required every federal agency to list their DEI employees as of November 5, 2024 —election day— just in case they were smuggled into other jobs after Trump’s win in a cryptic effort to save them from getting fired and keep the resistance going."
Lori, a huge THANK YOU for letting me know you posted this - this is amazing and wonderful! Trump is showing us this is how it gets done! Agree with you that TSA probably has a LOT of DEI incompetents so Trump has probably already gutted alot of it if not most. Can't wait to see what Trump does next!
And as with so many things, I wish it were that simple. Getting rid of TSA is not likely to happen. At best it will simply be renamed and repackaged and remain an entity to catch the few nutjobs, who we call "bad actors". And our Gov't should be watching out for them in our midst, constantly.
Their methods, as you so clearly exemplify, have gone "beyond the pale" invasive. I no longer fly for that reason, and, they are incompetent in their "thoroughness". I last flew in late 2016. I tried checking firearms. That added another layer of procedure. And it didn't work. On my return flight, the stupid airport left my bags behind, because they were in a specially designated area with the added tags on them because there were guns in them. I spent literally the entire night and next day angsting, waiting, phoning, and finally going down to the airport to finally be reunited with my bags and my guns. "Never again!" And I have kept that promise. I will never fly again.
I was one of those who saw the TSA as an experiment in totalitarianism very early. And it has only gotten worse. There has to be a balance in security measures and respect for personal space and property, etc. Maybe in the next hopefully 12 continuous years of conservative leadership, we can regain our freedom
Why do you think getting rid of TSA is not likely to happen, I'm sincerely interested to know. I don't see it as a problem, as Trump has said 90% of govt entities need to be dissolved and that is what he's working on. He is against these kind of infringements on our freedom. I've watched him for 45 yrs and for 45 yrs he has railed against govt. interference & infringement of our rights and freedoms. The reason he ran for president is because of all this.
I was a flight attendant back in the 1970s/80s and flying was completely different then. We had no TSA, no one went through x-ray machine, body scan or had to put up with any kind of body searches. No one's luggage was gone through and all airline personnel were courteous, caring about the welfare of our passengers and if anything did go wrong, they got the problems solved right away. Taking care of the public and ensuring they had a safe, pleasant flight was of utmost importance. Last time I flew was in 2005, first time I flew since 9/11. I was absolutely appalled at the rudeness of airline employees, at invasive procedures, and they way they treated my husband and myself. We flew from San Francisco to Tennessee, had just retired and were moving to TN. We had to stop in Atlanta and while waiting for our flight to depart, an agent came on board and demanded we get off the plane immediately, but didn't tell us why. We didn't know if we were suspected of a crime or what but we were treated like suspects. Once we were in the airport she finally told us we had been rerouted. I was concerned about our dog and cat, who had been put in baggage and didn't see them being unloaded off the airplane so I asked an agent if she could tell us where our dog/cat were. She replied very angrily and rudely "how the hell should I know where your pets are??" We finally did locate them but no thanks to her.
I haven't flown since and won't fly again until TSA is eliminated and the airlines get its act together and becomes civilized again. I used to fly all over the world and flew often but I refuse to put up with their arrogance and rudeness. Lots of people feel this way and the airlines will NOT recovery until TSA is completely evaporated.
"Why do you think getting rid of TSA is not likely to happen, I'm sincerely interested to know."
Something like the TSA is necessary. So, I don't think that Trump will dissolve it, that would take more effort than necessary. It isn't like most of our alphabet agencies that operate mainly out of public view, wasting lots of money on lining people's pockets. Hopefully most of that will get exposed during this administration and ended, agencies as well as waste and corruption. The TSA is different because it asserts that what it does is necessary to make us safer. That is of course arguable and most people hate airports because of the intrusive, illegal way security operates. It is illegal. But catching bad actors is absolutely necessary. TSA will be reformed, or rather, formed as it should have been at the beginning.
You'll note I didn't suggest "no security" at airports. I said TSA is out of control and ridiculously invasive. I don't believe "TSA is different because it asserts that what it does is necessary to make us safer." The whole of government has become a behemoth of "keeping you safe" agencies. The dangers of Safetyism could be the topic for another article. It was a dark day when Pres. Biden said in September 2021 that his main responsibility as President was to keep Americans safe, and no one called him out on that false statement.
True. "Safetyism" is the main excuse for gov't overreach. But other than airports, do you know of another agency that frisks people as standard procedure and sniffs them with guard dogs and steals their property just because they say they can and need to? It's because violence could break out at any time at airports. The other Safety™ measures from alphabet agencies are institutional and control with "safety" announcements and mandates. Airport Safety™ is more like a threatened war zone.
Our airports are the worst of totalitarian areas. Other transportation methods are now hugely controlling compared to the casual politeness of only a couple decades ago. As go our airports, so goes the rest of travel policies vis-à-vis Safety™.
TSA is the bellwether of Gov't Safety™ protocols. We saw it instantly implemented after 9/11, yet I don't recall any noticeable pushback of the extremism. Bush's "war on terror" seemed to justify the totalitarian intrusion. But Ben Franklin would have repeated himself if he were here.
Now, maybe, things can get put back onto something like an "old normal" footing. People need to be convinced first that we've been had for over twenty years, in order for any lasting reformation to happen.
One of the reasons why I want the TSA gone, and a rollback on airport security, is because it's like you said, "As go our airports, so goes the rest of travel policies..." and other places where lots of people gather. There is a large venue my husband and I go to each year in connection with his Christmas party, and you can't carry any kind of bag in, not even a purse or fanny pack, "for your safety." You walk through metal detectors. It feels like the airport, but it's a minor league hockey game. Walking in feels so invasive and unfriendly.
Let's hope we do roll back to an "old normal" footing, but convincing people that the airport security fanaticism is unnecessary for their safety, is like convincing people that the official Covid response was a scam and had little to do with public health. Challenging.
Yes! See my comment that starts, "Before yesterday it all seemed too entrenched to change..." that includes Attorney Jeff Childers' take on the situation.
I personally believe some TSA employees like to choose anyone who stands out as not being with the official narrative for "special" treatment. Some TSA agents are pleasant, but that doesn't mean their job is necessary. Unraveling it can happen fast, based on what's happening with DEI.
The psychotic, radicalized nut jobs/terrorists on 9/11 were Mossad agents armed with Davy Crockett nukes, CGI, squibs, and a missile fired at the Pentagram audit team. Hurray for my Senator, Mike Lee, even if he is descended from John D. Lee of the Mountain Meadows Massacre assassination squad!
Inadvertently posted twice because of a "Bad Gateway" notice.
I fear TSA is a different beast than DEI, but I certainly would love to see it abolished!
I agree they’re very different, but DEI has actually been a big part of TSA. “We can’t profile people. That’s so racist! Now, go grope grandpa and take away granny’s knitting needles. While you’re at it, target that businessman and the woman in the conservative-slogan T-shirt, even though no terrorist attacks have been committed by people who look like them.”
I just mean that a tightly worded executive order could make the changes almost immediately because the infrastructure is already in place. Put all TSA on leave, except for enough of them to monitor the metal detectors and luggage scans, have an armed Air Marshall on every flight. Security problems would be basically solved at a fraction of the cost and without the invasive indignities of the current system.
Yikes! Sounds like it's much worse now, all part of why I quit flying nearly 10yrs ago.
We've lost so much over the last nearly 25yrs.
I remember meeting visitors right at the gate in terminals, & seeing off family & friends, I always watched their planes depart to make sure they wouldn't be stuck in the airport after I headed home. (No one had cell phones then, we were more physically connected.)
Yes, we have some marvelous changes happening since Monday! And I would love to see TSA gone. Miracles are happening everyday. Probably too many govt thugs still in place to stop the invasive harassment. IMO, 80% of the federal bureaucracy is not needed or Constitutional.
My ❤️ goes out to you.
Thanks Anna Marie :) I remember those days, too.
I’m hopeful that the new Administration will actually cut the federal bureaucracy, but I’m reserving judgment until after the confirmation process when we see what they actually DO. (On another note, making a new government organization to improve government efficiency appears quite Orwellian to me :-P.)
Yes, expanding gov to reduce gov might not be exactly what we had in mind. Time will tell, Not interested in any new mRNA jabs of any kind. President Trump has a lot of things right. I’m praying God gives him wisdom & understanding for every situation.
Before yesterday, it all seemed too entrenched to change. But here is what the order on DEI requires, as related by attorney Jeff Childers. I could see it working for TSA.
"The truth is, Trump just nuked DEI. From orbit.
"It was like The Apprentice met The Presidency. Yesterday, Trump signed his second consecutive DEI order, Tuesday’s even more detailed and specific than Monday’s, and his Office of Personnel Management issued a tart memorandum. It informed all federal agencies that, by no later than 5pm tonight, they must close DEI all offices, delete all DEI websites, cancel all scheduled DEI “training,” terminate all DEI contractors, place all DEI staff on paid leave, and then prepare for staff reductions by the end of business on the last day of this month, January 31st.
"Boom! You’re fired. Axed, laid off, made redundant, severed, separated, and terminated with prejudice.
"Trump’s team isn’t just messing around, either. It’s not just performative. They can try to re-name DEI into something else, to try burying it in the bureaucratic depths, but it won’t work this time. Trump’s team is already onto that little game:
(shows image of actual text from the order)
"They’ve also required every federal agency to list their DEI employees as of November 5, 2024 —election day— just in case they were smuggled into other jobs after Trump’s win in a cryptic effort to save them from getting fired and keep the resistance going."
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/board-flippers-wednesday-january
Lori, a huge THANK YOU for letting me know you posted this - this is amazing and wonderful! Trump is showing us this is how it gets done! Agree with you that TSA probably has a LOT of DEI incompetents so Trump has probably already gutted alot of it if not most. Can't wait to see what Trump does next!
And as with so many things, I wish it were that simple. Getting rid of TSA is not likely to happen. At best it will simply be renamed and repackaged and remain an entity to catch the few nutjobs, who we call "bad actors". And our Gov't should be watching out for them in our midst, constantly.
Their methods, as you so clearly exemplify, have gone "beyond the pale" invasive. I no longer fly for that reason, and, they are incompetent in their "thoroughness". I last flew in late 2016. I tried checking firearms. That added another layer of procedure. And it didn't work. On my return flight, the stupid airport left my bags behind, because they were in a specially designated area with the added tags on them because there were guns in them. I spent literally the entire night and next day angsting, waiting, phoning, and finally going down to the airport to finally be reunited with my bags and my guns. "Never again!" And I have kept that promise. I will never fly again.
I was one of those who saw the TSA as an experiment in totalitarianism very early. And it has only gotten worse. There has to be a balance in security measures and respect for personal space and property, etc. Maybe in the next hopefully 12 continuous years of conservative leadership, we can regain our freedom
Why do you think getting rid of TSA is not likely to happen, I'm sincerely interested to know. I don't see it as a problem, as Trump has said 90% of govt entities need to be dissolved and that is what he's working on. He is against these kind of infringements on our freedom. I've watched him for 45 yrs and for 45 yrs he has railed against govt. interference & infringement of our rights and freedoms. The reason he ran for president is because of all this.
I was a flight attendant back in the 1970s/80s and flying was completely different then. We had no TSA, no one went through x-ray machine, body scan or had to put up with any kind of body searches. No one's luggage was gone through and all airline personnel were courteous, caring about the welfare of our passengers and if anything did go wrong, they got the problems solved right away. Taking care of the public and ensuring they had a safe, pleasant flight was of utmost importance. Last time I flew was in 2005, first time I flew since 9/11. I was absolutely appalled at the rudeness of airline employees, at invasive procedures, and they way they treated my husband and myself. We flew from San Francisco to Tennessee, had just retired and were moving to TN. We had to stop in Atlanta and while waiting for our flight to depart, an agent came on board and demanded we get off the plane immediately, but didn't tell us why. We didn't know if we were suspected of a crime or what but we were treated like suspects. Once we were in the airport she finally told us we had been rerouted. I was concerned about our dog and cat, who had been put in baggage and didn't see them being unloaded off the airplane so I asked an agent if she could tell us where our dog/cat were. She replied very angrily and rudely "how the hell should I know where your pets are??" We finally did locate them but no thanks to her.
I haven't flown since and won't fly again until TSA is eliminated and the airlines get its act together and becomes civilized again. I used to fly all over the world and flew often but I refuse to put up with their arrogance and rudeness. Lots of people feel this way and the airlines will NOT recovery until TSA is completely evaporated.
"Why do you think getting rid of TSA is not likely to happen, I'm sincerely interested to know."
Something like the TSA is necessary. So, I don't think that Trump will dissolve it, that would take more effort than necessary. It isn't like most of our alphabet agencies that operate mainly out of public view, wasting lots of money on lining people's pockets. Hopefully most of that will get exposed during this administration and ended, agencies as well as waste and corruption. The TSA is different because it asserts that what it does is necessary to make us safer. That is of course arguable and most people hate airports because of the intrusive, illegal way security operates. It is illegal. But catching bad actors is absolutely necessary. TSA will be reformed, or rather, formed as it should have been at the beginning.
You'll note I didn't suggest "no security" at airports. I said TSA is out of control and ridiculously invasive. I don't believe "TSA is different because it asserts that what it does is necessary to make us safer." The whole of government has become a behemoth of "keeping you safe" agencies. The dangers of Safetyism could be the topic for another article. It was a dark day when Pres. Biden said in September 2021 that his main responsibility as President was to keep Americans safe, and no one called him out on that false statement.
True. "Safetyism" is the main excuse for gov't overreach. But other than airports, do you know of another agency that frisks people as standard procedure and sniffs them with guard dogs and steals their property just because they say they can and need to? It's because violence could break out at any time at airports. The other Safety™ measures from alphabet agencies are institutional and control with "safety" announcements and mandates. Airport Safety™ is more like a threatened war zone.
Our airports are the worst of totalitarian areas. Other transportation methods are now hugely controlling compared to the casual politeness of only a couple decades ago. As go our airports, so goes the rest of travel policies vis-à-vis Safety™.
TSA is the bellwether of Gov't Safety™ protocols. We saw it instantly implemented after 9/11, yet I don't recall any noticeable pushback of the extremism. Bush's "war on terror" seemed to justify the totalitarian intrusion. But Ben Franklin would have repeated himself if he were here.
Now, maybe, things can get put back onto something like an "old normal" footing. People need to be convinced first that we've been had for over twenty years, in order for any lasting reformation to happen.
One of the reasons why I want the TSA gone, and a rollback on airport security, is because it's like you said, "As go our airports, so goes the rest of travel policies..." and other places where lots of people gather. There is a large venue my husband and I go to each year in connection with his Christmas party, and you can't carry any kind of bag in, not even a purse or fanny pack, "for your safety." You walk through metal detectors. It feels like the airport, but it's a minor league hockey game. Walking in feels so invasive and unfriendly.
Let's hope we do roll back to an "old normal" footing, but convincing people that the airport security fanaticism is unnecessary for their safety, is like convincing people that the official Covid response was a scam and had little to do with public health. Challenging.
Yes! See my comment that starts, "Before yesterday it all seemed too entrenched to change..." that includes Attorney Jeff Childers' take on the situation.
I personally believe some TSA employees like to choose anyone who stands out as not being with the official narrative for "special" treatment. Some TSA agents are pleasant, but that doesn't mean their job is necessary. Unraveling it can happen fast, based on what's happening with DEI.
Agreed!